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  • Emelia/Emibecomethewaifu@tech.lgbt
    Dec 17, 2025, 12:44 AM

    Randomly reading about "Zero Trust Network Architecture" because I got bored, and from what I can tell it's literally just a bunch of split-tunnel VPNs in a trenchcoat...

    The biggest difference vs "traditional VPNs" is that it can seamlessly do graph connectivity to the underlying physical infrastructure, rather than hub-and-spoke, so it's less vulnerable to single points of failure if set up correctly. (And many implementations also appear to have much more fine-grained segmentation and access control than 'traditional' L3 VPNs, but you could in theory achieve that "the old fashioned way" just fine with some effort, assuming you're not using a dumb-as-rocks VPN "appliance"...)

    In other words, the abstract architecture is something Genuinely Neat from a technical standpoint, but the concept is just absolutely slathered in the C-suite's favorite Buzzword Bingo and marketing wanks trying to sell them Zero Effort Magic Beans...

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  • Dec 17, 2025, 12:47 AM

    @becomethewaifu my experience is "zero trust" usually means constant oauth login requests every time i try to do anything, constant timeouts, dozens of 2fa requests, and being forced to prove who I am anew every time I lift a finger.

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  • Emelia/Emibecomethewaifu@tech.lgbt
    Dec 17, 2025, 12:55 AM

    @azonenberg Same here, but at least at [redacted] it's mostly Entra with the device-based "seamless MFA" stuff (no idea what it's called), so as long as I'm using my usual laptop, I don't have to do the MFA dance every 3 seconds, even if that's how frequently the oauth flow usually triggers...

    But this post was more about the "not-a-VPN" tech specifically, (ZScaler, OpenZiti, etc.) not the unfortunate "SSO hell" that so many places mismanage to the point of "99% of users will immediately punch their 2FA codes into anything resembling the work login flow, regardless of when and where it pops up"

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  • Dec 17, 2025, 12:57 AM

    @becomethewaifu using entra services on a linux system is hell. The windows vm is a slightly more seamless experience but still... Spend 5 minutes on the phone and i have to unlock my Linux box, unlock the windows vm, log into the customer service again, mandatory 2fa there... It gets old fast.

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