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  • Sepia Fanstekopf@mstdn.social
    Jun 23, 2025, 2:43 PM

    @MathieuP @MarkHoltom

    Your point is, if I don't spend my money for a car (+ its ecosystem) then I spend my money otherwise - with a similar result?

    My point is, if you don't spend your money for a car (+ its ecosystem), then you don't need so much money to make a good living.

    If you travel more, buy a house etc., then you set the saving off. Then there is no effect on growth.
    But if you decide to just work less (or not more, if you don't have a car yet) then this has an effect on growth.

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  • Sepia Fanstekopf@mstdn.social
    Jun 23, 2025, 2:45 PM

    My "anti-capitalism" narrative was not related to my first sentence "But they spend their money the wrong way.". It is releated only to the "less resource-intense life" from the 2nd paragraph. ;)

    And ofc cycling can work in capitalism - that's not the point. But it reduces the recources you consume for a necessity of life, transportation.
    But the times you probably are referring to we were on a lower GDP level - or looking at 🇳🇱, they are not cannibalising a car industry with promoting 🚲.

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  • Mathieu PeronaMathieuP@mastodon.gougere.fr
    Jun 23, 2025, 2:52 PM

    @stekopf I understand.
    Cycling can fit in a degrowth lifestyle. My concern is that the initial quote of the thread implies it causes a reduction in growth, which is false unless you, as you aptly point out, consciously integrate it in a change of your consumption habits (empirically, most people will not work less, but consume other things).

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  • Sepia Fanstekopf@mstdn.social
    Jun 23, 2025, 2:58 PM

    @MathieuP

    Yes, consumerism is strong in our society.
    We need a change in lifestyles - changing to a less expensive travel mode can help question other problematic (overly expensive, extractive, harmful) habits.
    But it's a long way.

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