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  • Irenes (many)ireneista@irenes.space
    Nov 8, 2026, 8:41 PM

    on a related note: a "community" is a group of people who know each other and care about each others' well-being.

    so for example if we are speaking about the queer tech community, well, yeah, any time we join a new chat room it turns out we already know two or three people there. we'd imagine many of you reading this have the same experience. that is a community.

    something as amorpous as "the open source community" is, um, not that. it includes people who publicly advocate for the state-sponsored murder of other people in it. that's not caring.

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  • Irenes (many)ireneista@irenes.space
    Nov 8, 2026, 8:45 PM

    *amorphous

    it's challenging to put forth a vision of how we'd like the social side of all this to work, which is why we've thus-far resisted doing so. if we ever write something like that it'll only be after we've worked through all the hard questions.

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  • Irenes (many)ireneista@irenes.space
    Nov 8, 2026, 8:46 PM

    the biggest challenge we see is avoiding us/them framing, which is one of those things that it's easy to accidentally uphold while trying to oppose it.

    "us" can be as bad as "them"; if we're drawing an impermeable line around ourselves and saying "not you" to people outside it, we should expect that we're not actually grappling with the existing fracture lines in society. we should expect that anyone trying to raise concerns about racism or classism or ableism will find themselves on the outside of that line, and the oppression will continue without proper discussion.

    that's bad. that's not the goal.

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  • Irenes (many)ireneista@irenes.space
    Nov 8, 2026, 8:48 PM

    so we think the hope should be to define ourselves by ideals that we try to live up to, and not by other characteristics. anyone who's doing that is inside, anyone who isn't is outside. acknowledging injustice and seeking to right it should be one of those ideals.

    will that work? we don't claim to know. it seems like a start, though.

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  • clewclew@ecoevo.social
    Nov 8, 2026, 9:19 PM

    Often a community is a group of people who can't get away from each other. Historically, more villages than monasteries, for instance.

    The more one believes there are vital but scarce resources, the more likely this kind of community seems. (I am glum.)

    Something has to be planned for the less elective, less mutually caring kind. @ireneista

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  • Cycy@fedicy.us.to
    Nov 8, 2026, 10:41 PM
    Technically the slaver was agreeing with you!

    While still um.

    Promoting slavery. 😬
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  • Irenes (many)ireneista@irenes.space
    Nov 8, 2026, 11:23 PM

    @cy yes. such complexities are why we take the time to get into the philosophy of not only what we advocate for, but why. there is no limit to the amount of self-serving bullshit assholes are capable of coming up with; all we can do is give people the tools to identify it as such.

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  • Sarasarae@ecoevo.social
    Nov 9, 2026, 4:00 AM

    @ireneista yep

    a bunch of people with the same job is not necessarily a community

    can be! but if it is it's because of something beyond the job

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