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  • Spooooky Owlbearcocaine_owlbear@retro.pizza
    Oct 4, 2026, 3:21 PM

    @GrapheneOS @retrocomputing @Tutanota I agree with all of that. Obviously GrapheneOS is the best Android replacement, but since it's locked to Pixels until next year, and even then will only work on one new Motorola phone model, we need options people can put on their phones *now*.

    I'm not trying to slander your project, buddy, but it's not a realistic option for literally *most* android users right now.

    I would absolutely welcome your suggestions or advice.

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  • GrapheneOSGrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
    Oct 4, 2026, 3:27 PM

    @cocaine_owlbear @retrocomputing @Tutanota The approach of pretending everything is fine and misleading users into believing exploits are only used in advanced targeted attacks is rapidly collapsing. AI accelerated vulnerability discovery and exploit development has made exploits very accessible to non-experts.

    Android's standard privacy and security patches/protections aren't at all adequate. Those alternative operating systems have drastically worse patches and protections rather than better.

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  • GrapheneOSGrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
    Oct 4, 2026, 3:32 PM

    @cocaine_owlbear @retrocomputing @Tutanota Encouraging people to use devices increasingly unable to protect them against severe known privacy and security vulnerabilities isn't going to work out well for them.

    It's important for people to buy devices where reasonable updates and security protections are possible to provide. People should buy used devices with many years of updates and decent security protections rather than bottom of the barrel new Android devices without those.

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  • nahmgoodnahmgood@mastodon.social
    Oct 4, 2026, 7:00 PM

    @cocaine_owlbear @GrapheneOS @retrocomputing @Tutanota the vast majority of android users have locked bootloaders from their service provider anyways, so for them, a new device is necessary if they want to install any alternative OS. I got a brand new unlocked pixel 9a from best buy for $350, the last google device I'll ever buy, and it was well worth it to switch to GrapheneOS.

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  • GrapheneOSGrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
    Oct 5, 2026, 1:06 AM

    @cocaine_owlbear @nahmgood @retrocomputing @Tutanota Most devices sold as locked by carriers don't ever get the ability to unlock the bootloader. It can also take a long time before they allow people to do it which means using it with the stock OS for a long time.

    Budget 'a' series Pixels are extremely high value compared to the higher end devices due to having the same SoC, updates and security features. The cheap option are used 'a' series Pixels. Pixel 8a is still a recommended device.

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  • GrapheneOSGrapheneOS@grapheneos.social
    Oct 5, 2026, 1:09 AM

    @cocaine_owlbear @nahmgood @retrocomputing @Tutanota Pixel 8a still meets all of our current generation security standards. It has 3 more years of updates than the Pixel 7a due to that being raised from 5 years to 7 for the Pixel 8 and later. It still has around 4 years and 8 months left before the guaranteed updates run out.

    It doesn't make sense to buy a bottom of the barrel new Android device rather than a used Pixel.

    Most people do not use a smartphone where another OS can be installed.

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