@kleisli @felix @afilina Oh and by the way... That's no disrespect or hostility.

I am grateful to PHP for allowing me learning server-side web dev when my only other option was MS IIS with JScript (sic) and it's bindings to "OLE" objects for anything meaningful (mail, db ...) and Java was still the terrible EJB 2.0. And the rest was either Perl or C / C++ through CGI. With no frameworks existing. So yeah it had it's role, but web dev evolved, so did frameworks, but the core PHP did not.