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  • Francisca Sinnfsinn@mas.to
    Aug 23, 2026, 3:16 AM

    I want to emphasize this one point that I suspect many Americans do not appreciate:

    “the US narrow merchandise trade deficit only exists because the US buys so much of its energy from Canada. Canada fuels American growth, supplying 99 percent of their natural gas imports, 85 percent of their electricity imports, 60 percent of their crude oil imports. I don’t think they want us to stop sending any of that energy.” - PM Mark Carney

    I don’t mean you, our highly informed FediFolk, but the bulk of Trump supports, I would hazard a guess, don’t have any idea. They should think very carefully about this.

    thewalrus.ca/mark-carney-why-i

    #Canada #USA #Energy #TradeWar #Trump #Tariffs #ElbowsUp

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  • Deep Muddeepmud@mas.to
    Aug 23, 2026, 3:38 AM

    @fsinn in short, prices are going up. A LOT.

    We also get fertilizer from Canada. That's going to go up.

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  • Francisca Sinnfsinn@mas.to
    Aug 23, 2026, 3:41 AM

    @deepmud I’m sorry, I really am, but today I’m feeling very scorched earth about the whole thing. If we can help burn Republicans to the ground over it, then at least with that I feel a little better about the pain average families will suffer in the short term.

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  • Deep Muddeepmud@mas.to
    Aug 23, 2026, 5:03 AM

    @fsinn I agree. It's awful, but it will lead to the demise of trump.

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  • DBlawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 3:50 AM

    @fsinn I feel confident in saying that the regime does not have a clue about the facts you stated. They are willfully ignorant and stupidly equate bombast with strength. They are also clearly incapable of objectively sizing up theirs strengths and weaknesses in a match up with another party. Iran, Canada, Greenland/NATO. In the words of Bugs Bunny, “What a Maroon”

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  • Purrbiscatsilver_buttercat@kolektiva.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 3:53 AM

    @fsinn We live near the Quebec border, so the bulk of our electricity actually comes from HydroQuebec... not amerikkkan sources. If Canada cuts us off, it'll take a while before any USAian sources gets power to us. And honestly, I sometimes wish Quebec would hurry up and cut us off. But, it's a moral dilemma since many of my generation would be in serious, even fatal, conditions if such happens.

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  • Purrbiscatsilver_buttercat@kolektiva.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 3:59 AM

    @fsinn And sadly, not all of us will survive it. I just hope those who do carry on the learning and the teachings so maybe our descendants can avoid some of our issues...

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  • Nazonazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 4:38 AM

    @fsinn The fundamental problem is that the grand majority of Trump supporters don't think ̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶c̶a̶r̶e̶f̶u̶l̶l̶y̶ at all.

    I don't know how one gets through this. They've outsourced all their thinking to social media platforms that heavily algorithm them to the ultra-far-right influencers, Trump (who also can't think so just pretends at it,) mass media owned by billionaires on the right, etc.

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  • Francisca Sinnfsinn@mas.to
    Aug 23, 2026, 4:51 AM

    @markwyner I’m sorry, friend. For what it’s worth, I think most Canadians see clearly that the problem is Trump, not the majority of our American neighbours. Better days ahead. 🙏🏻

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  • Byrnensorg🇮🇪🇺🇦🇵🇸🇬🇱🇩🇰byrnensorg@mastodon.ie
    Aug 23, 2026, 12:00 PM

    @fsinn @markwyner To say the problem is Trump is a gross oversimplification. I know how most observers would like to think this and once he is gone, the good times will come again.... sadly no. In the world of geopolitical diseases Trump is very much a symptom, focus on excising it and the disease will only come back stronger.. with even worse symptoms... This is an America problem and one that began 250 years ago, the attitudes, the aspirations, the warmongering, they've always been there.

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  • François @JuraFrancoisPrague@mastodon.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 5:37 AM

    @fsinn many MAGA republicans lack basic knowledge in US geography and US history. So geopolitics and international trade is way beyond their reach.

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  • Tanek RuneCassandra_Complex@beige.party
    Aug 23, 2026, 5:46 AM

    @fsinn
    Oh no, I already hear the Albertans who think they're the center of the energy universe rear their heads and pledge loyalty to Trump so they can eject their mortal enemies - immigrants and the educated. (Only partly sarcasm)

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  • Eggs now in different baskets.the_wub@mastodon.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 6:36 AM

    @fsinn I just listened to/watched Mark Carney's speech this morning.

    An angry man being measured was my reading of him.

    I was interested in that particular comment as it seemed extremely blunt and to the point.

    I don't think that Carney has been this blunt even in his Davos speech.

    But Carney is right, the US could rectify the "trade imbalance" simply by stopping buying Canadian energy products.

    The US could just pivot to buying more oil and gas from, say Gulf states or Iran.

    Oh, wait...

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  • Fenixfenixmaster@mastodon.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 6:51 AM

    @fsinn I would start with a 50% tarif on every ME(A)GA-watt or GigaJoule that is exported to te US.

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  • pamfer extrordinairerightsprung
    Aug 23, 2026, 8:54 AM

    @fenixmaster @fsinn

    It's actually a different approach. The Canadian way is not to antagonize, but to walk away. We are building the longest power transmission cable in world history to sell our hydro power to Europe across the Atlantic, and a pipeline to sell our natural gas and oil to China. Tariffs are temporary. Infrastructure is permanent. The time for temporary measures was last year. This year Canada is signing the divorce papers.

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  • Pieter Kuiper 🌍🇳🇱pietkuip@mastodon.nl
    Aug 23, 2026, 11:40 AM

    @rightsprung
    Quote from the National Observer: "revealed shortlist of four routes".

    You wrote: "we are building". That is not true. It is just vaporware.

    A cable is just not profitable for Europe to import electricity from Canada. Even an interconnector UK to Iceland is only in a long-term planning stage. But you can find fake news that it is in operation...

    @fenixmaster @fsinn

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  • Neil MoffattNicelyManifest@mastodon.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 7:42 AM

    @fsinn But over engagement with emotional driven notions and a seeming failure to do only the shallowest of thinking blinds them to many such matters.

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  • ohirohir@vivaldi.net
    Aug 23, 2026, 10:34 AM

    @fsinn
    > Trump supporters...
    > They should think very carefully about this.

    This was cruel. With what organ they should?

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  • Gaël Rostanggael_rostang@mastodon.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 11:37 AM

    @fsinn I wonder what would happen to the USA if they lost access to all external energy imports. Including crude oil, coal, electricity, and radioactive elements for nuclear fuel cells.

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  • DavidM_yegDavidM_yeg@beige.party
    Aug 23, 2026, 2:55 PM

    @fsinn

    “It’s like putting a toddler and a boxer in the ring together” I was told.

    Umm, no. But we *are* in an asymmetric fight (that we did not choose). When a big, bulky bully comes up and punches you, a smaller person will not prevail by trying to exchange blows like boxers do.

    We need to make our punches count, target sensitive and symbolic areas, and above all make sure the bully knows that we have the oil and the will to kick him in the nuts if he makes us.

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  • Cedar Fen Farm Cedar Fen Farmoldoldcojote@climatejustice.social
    Aug 23, 2026, 3:27 PM

    @fsinn

    Actually, it would be great if they stopped. It would force the US to reconsider all the better options the orange menace cancelled and also slow down the steam roller abuse of indigenous territories. But canada is in the grip of multinational oil, too.

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  • VirginicusVirginicus@universeodon.com
    Aug 23, 2026, 3:54 PM

    @fsinn @riggbeck That’s a tricky statistic. The US is a net energy exporter. We import some energy because it’s cheaper, where Canada is close by and the Gulf of Mexico is far away. This will be a price increase, not a threat.

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  • VirginicusVirginicus@universeodon.com
    Aug 23, 2026, 4:54 PM

    @fsinn It absolutely is, and I think I can guess. Folks here on Mastodon have a tendency to over-interpret events, though. (Like every starship explosion implies Musk is about to go bankrupt.) I just don’t want anyone to think that all New England is about to become Gary, Indiana.

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  • Francisca Sinnfsinn@mas.to
    Aug 23, 2026, 5:25 PM

    @Virginicus I understand, and agreed. I don’t this this Canadian gov’t would take actions that are against our own self interest, so I don’t think anyone’s eyeing a kill switch, unless the US were to invade our territorial sovereignty or, say, that of a fellow NATO country. [nods at Greenland] But the termination of existing services? With a notice period or non-renewal or even breach of contract if the US (as it is) is itself in breach of CUSMA or other agreements, If that were for our own self-interests? Absolutely I expect that to be option for our federal and provincial governments.

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