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  • Nemoiinavpov@mastodon.online
    Sep 24, 2026, 10:58 AM

    @Yuvalne

    The Nazi was banned for being "unacceptable and people wanting nothing to do with him".

    KDE is contributors in a broad sense, always had been. From coders to bug reporters. People who never interacted before with the project in any capacity can fairly be described as "not KDE".

    If there is a code of conduct, and it's enforced selectively, is it a code of conduct? If I stab a Nazi, I may have done the morally right, I'm still going to jail.

    On the lessons, that's not what I read.

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  • Talya (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️✡️Yuvalne@433.world
    Sep 24, 2026, 11:06 AM

    @iinavpov
    > People who never interacted before with the project in any capacity can fairly be described as "not KDE"

    and how exactly did you or Nate reach the conclusion that the person who revealed the Nazi or the people at kdeforpeople.com are "people who never interacted before with the project in any capacity"? what exactly makes you characterise any of them as such?
    do you know that the person who created the petition is "someone outside KDE", or do you just trust Nate?

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  • Nemoiinavpov@mastodon.online
    Sep 24, 2026, 11:12 AM

    @Yuvalne
    I know of neither. I just think you assume that pure users are KDE, and I think they aren't.

    I read from Nate that neither does he. I also trust that if he knew the contributors behind the website he'd have said so (because otherwise the drama would be horrible).

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  • Talya (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️✡️Yuvalne@433.world
    Sep 24, 2026, 11:19 AM

    @iinavpov you yourself described Nate's account as "incomplete and biased", yet when je describes the creator of kdeforpeople.com as "someone outside KDE" and dismisses virtually all of the signatures in the same vain you trust that?

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  • Nemoiinavpov@mastodon.online
    Sep 24, 2026, 11:46 AM

    @Yuvalne
    We are all biased and have incomplete views of truth.

    I have no reason to believe someone well connected to the active contributor community would not know and recognise people he knew.

    If he's lying about that, there *will* be a (well deserved) shit storm.

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  • Talya (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️✡️Yuvalne@433.world
    Sep 24, 2026, 11:50 AM

    @iinavpov am i "outside KDE", Nemo?
    i've already explained my relationship with KDE a bunch in this thread. i also explained why Nate is very unlikely to recognise me, and why just that fact alone is not a bad thing.
    am i "outside KDE"?

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  • Nemoiinavpov@mastodon.online
    Sep 24, 2026, 11:53 AM

    @Yuvalne
    By my definition, and I think Nate's, you are, in fact, KDE.

    I genuinely think that recognition *is* a central problem here.

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  • Talya (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️✡️Yuvalne@433.world
    Sep 24, 2026, 11:15 AM

    @iinavpov how do you measure "being outside KDE"? the measure Nate takes is "do the contributors know the person", which is heavily biased towards recurring code contributors and people who hold official positions in the project.
    i'm a KDE tester, i've interacted with Nate several times, but he doesn't recognise me, which makes sense because he interacts with many people regularly. that's not the issue, it's that per that definition i'm "outside KDE" and my opinions aren't consideration worthy.

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  • Nemoiinavpov@mastodon.online
    Sep 24, 2026, 11:47 AM

    @Yuvalne
    I think Nate not recognising you as a tester and contributor is an issue. A big one.

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  • Talya (she/her) 🏳️‍⚧️✡️Yuvalne@433.world
    Sep 24, 2026, 11:53 AM

    @iinavpov but leaving whether we think it's justified or not to the side, we've already established that someone, say, regularly checking their KDE bugzilla account and giving money to KDE and advocating for KDE is not enough to be recognised by contributors.
    given that, i'll repeat the question i asked here: 433.world/@Yuvalne/11732586379
    is it fair to call such people (such as myself) "outside KDE"?
    because if not, calling kdeforpeople that is a very bad idea.

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  • Nemoiinavpov@mastodon.online
    Sep 24, 2026, 12:01 PM

    @Yuvalne
    I think these are separate questions.

    There is a lot of bad faith out there, and there are people who will, out of nowhere, start things to cause a ruckus.

    I can understand dismissal. I think that if "larger" voices join in, it will not be dismissed any more. I think this is a matter of that project (for the people) staying organised over time.

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