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  • The Ludditetheluddite
    Dec 31, 2024, 3:44 PM

    That WaPo article (archive.md/XBO1R) going around about how self-driving cars don't stop for pedestrians at crosswalks is luddism 101. Driving is not a purely technical task, but instead mediated by complex social processes, of which the attached screenshot from the article is a good example. Integrating self-driving cars means renegotiating those processes, and we should never let capital dictate terms, because they don't value human life.

    “We’re gaining more and more insight and knowledge into what the social norms are in each area that we’re driving in,” she said. The expectations of pedestrians can vary from “cars should always completely stop” to “I’ll wait for a gap in traffic to cross.”
When I’m crossing an intersection, I look a driver in the eye and know they have seen me when they start to slow down. But with a Waymo, there’s nobody to look at.
So how does the car decide when to stop? “It’s really hard for me to say that there’s one particular thing that is the determining factor in how an interaction will go down,” Dorsey said. I provided Waymo with video footage, the times and the locations of 10 occasions when its vehicles failed to yield for me; it didn’t give me a specific explanation for those instances.
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  • Dec 31, 2024, 6:59 PM

    @theluddite You're saying humans need to do less of what's convenient for them because of weakness in a new technology - instead of the new technology has to improve to meet the existing needs of humans.

    You've got it backwards.

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  • The Ludditetheluddite
    Jan 1, 2025, 3:12 PM

    @GraniteGeek The WaPo article discusses how, for companies, making self-driving cars dangerous to pedestrians was already the improvement, meaning that it can't be a simple question of "improvements" or "weaknesses."

    From your profile, you're a reporter who often covers tech. If you want to learn about luddism, I recommend @brianmerchant 's book "Blood in the Machine." Alternatively, I have 15 years of experience writing software and would be happy to discuss further. My email is on my site.

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