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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 10:35 AM

    Lukasz Klejnowski: EU and member countries are making 2 mistakes: not funding FOSS and encouraging sustainable business models and then awarding public procurement to US big tech companies.

    One thing that could help European players more than a requirement to “buy European” is to define interoperability requirements.

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 10:48 AM

    ~“We need to think beyond open source and interoperability. They are necessary, but not sufficient. Open source solves one chokehold. Open standards solve chokehold of product lock-in. There are other chokeholds.

    How about changing procurement rules to require a label that companies fund open source development granting foundations like @sovtechfund with a percentage of their EU revenue? It could be transitive to then affect the entire ecosystem.”

    —@robin

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 10:54 AM

    ~“We need an EU commissioner in charge of tech sovereignty. In a time of global crises and gatekeeper platforms, we don’t need vague platitudes about AI. We need strong leadership who understands the power of tech and can bend that power towards democracy. They need convening power to bring people together to work on the components. These initiatives should be driven by society, not top down. People want to work on this all over, but there is no where to go to do this work.” —@robin

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 12:30 PM

    ~“Sovereignty is not about protectionism, but standing in your own strength.” —Thibaut Kleiner, Director at Directorate-General for Communications Networks, Content and Technology (DG Connect)

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 12:38 PM

    While hearing the EU Commission’s perspective is useful, this is a room where the Commission should be listening more than talking.

    I would like to have heard how the experts in the room could better engage with the Commission in influencing policy.

    Most of the insights from the morning’s panel discussions were not reflected in the strategy outline shared. Commercialization and AI were not mentioned by those experts as top challenges.

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 1:02 PM

    ~“Maintenance funding for open source software is not getting enough attention. It doesn’t sound exciting as innovation funding. It’s not new and shiny. Funding consortiums need to treat open source as public infrastructure and set up funding that addresses it in that way.” —@senficon

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 1:12 PM

    So much of what people praise the Next Generation Internet program can be attributed to @nlnet’s grant program design.

    As @michiel noted, NLnet took public grant money beyond the typical institutions and consortiums that could apply for it and made it accessible to the individual experts and small teams actually doing the work regardless of where they live in the world. These grants likely have outperformed all other EU tech funding in terms of return-on-investment.

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 1:38 PM

    People started holding hackathons all over the place, but hackathons didn’t provide the innovation benefit to open source they were hoping for. —@senficon, Director of Developer Policy at GitHub

    “We don’t fund hackathons.” —@michiel, NLnet Foundation

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 2:46 PM

    A panel on open infrastructure started.

    Nina Müller from @nextcloud shared how businesses can more easily operate a server they own that provides most of their business software needs.

    Nicola Rustignoli represents the SCION, a protocol for routing network traffic only thru trusted paths. scion.org/about-scion/?ref=act

    Quentin Adam from Clever Cloud started with bold, controversial claim that it cannot be fully open source and have a sustainable business… Sir, that’s vendor lockin.

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 2:59 PM

    Ok, I’m done with the Clever Cloud guy on this panel after his declaration that free and open source is free as in speech, but not beer.

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 3:10 PM

    Brand awareness of non-US-based cloud service providers is low, so let’s make finding local vendors easier.

    I started the eucloud.tech/ wiki years ago when I was CTO of a Svenska e-bike manufacturer and needed to find EU-based cloud service providers.

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 3:35 PM

    @utopiah just went full stack in his intro describing the commercially viable free and open source products he used today. Nice anecdata counter to the perception that FOSS is only good for infrastructure or components.

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 3:58 PM

    Niko Bonnieure (@nextgraph):

    • Interoperability is a component of usability. It’s not only a problem for proprietary software. Open source solutions lose when they require complex configuration.

    • We need symmetric Internet connections (equal upload and download connectivity). To increase ownership of data on devices we own, people will do more uploading. Limited upload connectivity hurts the UX of peer-to-peer solutions.

    Related: The EU needs to accelerate IPv6 adoption.

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 20, 2025, 7:45 AM

    Day 2 kicked off with focus on EU’s ambition to have its own search engine.

    Search is critical Internet infrastructure. ~“What if Europe only had 2 newspapers?” —@grani

    Technically, search engines require a large amount storage and compute. They also require ongoing human infrastructure for ML refinement, operation, legal.

    I am not sure how this can be done in a federated way, but @openwebsearcheu is trying.

    openwebsearch.eu/?ref=activity

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 20, 2025, 7:57 AM

    Michael Granitzer: Distributing a web index is a legal challenge. Over 80 laws across the EU related to content legality, copyright, AI, and others. Currently, data is only distributed under a research license, so no commercial use of the data is possible at the moment.

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  • Jeremiah LeeJeremiah@alpaca.gold
    Jun 19, 2025, 4:19 PM

    Bravo to DG Connect Director Thibaut Kleiner for staying the whole day to listen to the panels, meet with people during breaks, and recap what he heard.

    He reassured the room that there will be more opportunities for public funding, even as the NGI program ends.

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